Comments on: The Biggest Flaw in John Hollinger’s ESPN NBA Power Rankings http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/ a blog about tech, sports, and life Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:43:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: dust 1999 http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-4534 dust 1999 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:01:08 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-4534 I couldn't agree more these hollindger rankings seem to be way off mark. I never bothered to even check the formula to this ranking system. I can look at the results and say why bother same goes for the espn ranking as well its probably correct once or twice in an entire nba season. Being from san antonio we know that these rankings mean very little. The spurs have had the best record pretty much the entire season and they've only been at the top of these rankings a few times. All we can do is treat this system the same as bcs system we will just continue to bash this stupid system. Nothings changed in the four championship seasons in san antonio nobody picked the spurs to win same holds true this years we just talk about miami laker celtic and now even ny with newly acquired carmelo bottomline san antonio is the best team right know. Looks as if pop tim and the spurs will fly under the radar until were in the nba finals and if san antonio does make it to the finals the eastern representative will be the favorite no matter who it is boston, miami, orlando, new york, even chicago probably will get more respect. I guess only truth will set everyone staight even if they hate it. Especially the nba itself. Does anyone else wonder why joe crawford calls every big spur playoff games. They just have to be good enough to overcome bad offciating I couldn’t agree more these hollindger rankings seem to be way off mark. I never bothered to even check the formula to this ranking system. I can look at the results and say why bother same goes for the espn ranking as well its probably correct once or twice in an entire nba season. Being from san antonio we know that these rankings mean very little. The spurs have had the best record pretty much the entire season and they’ve only been at the top of these rankings a few times. All we can do is treat this system the same as bcs system we will just continue to bash this stupid system. Nothings changed in the four championship seasons in san antonio nobody picked the spurs to win same holds true this years we just talk about miami laker celtic and now even ny with newly acquired carmelo bottomline san antonio is the best team right know. Looks as if pop tim and the spurs will fly under the radar until were in the nba finals and if san antonio does make it to the finals the eastern representative will be the favorite no matter who it is boston, miami, orlando, new york, even chicago probably will get more respect. I guess only truth will set everyone staight even if they hate it. Especially the nba itself. Does anyone else wonder why joe crawford calls every big spur playoff games. They just have to be good enough to overcome bad offciating

]]> By: Introducing the NBA Power Rankings Index | MavsCrunch http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-4436 Introducing the NBA Power Rankings Index | MavsCrunch Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:17:47 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-4436 [...] own perspective you’re likely to overlook flaws or strengths of a team. When you’re completely objective, like John Hollinger’s formula, you take the human element out of the [...] [...] own perspective you’re likely to overlook flaws or strengths of a team. When you’re completely objective, like John Hollinger’s formula, you take the human element out of the [...]

]]> By: Kevin Rossen http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-4071 Kevin Rossen Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:29:01 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-4071 I definitely have a subjective (or a Mavs homer), but the Lakers and Celtics were bot NOT in the top 10 and they were in the Finals. That's as much of a condemnation as anything. I definitely have a subjective (or a Mavs homer), but the Lakers and Celtics were bot NOT in the top 10 and they were in the Finals. That’s as much of a condemnation as anything.

]]> By: Jason http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-4054 Jason Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:51:42 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-4054 I think his rankings to a great deal to show which team is playing the best basketball. That's all he really claims. Winning marginally at home doesn't mean that you're playing the best basketball. Since winning percentage only shows us one of two eventualities - that a team won or lost - then it tells us little about HOW the team performed. His team ratings peer deeper into the equation to capture something that winning percentage cannot. This is a valuable tool in evaluating performance. To say that it is flawed is really missing the point. Then, since I'm commenting in retrospect, look at how the Mavs performed in the 2010 playoffs compared to the teams ranked ahead of them in this mid-season snapshot of Hollinger's rankings. I think you can see that his objective rankings at the time did more to tell us about the quality of the Mavs than your subjective opinion. I think his rankings to a great deal to show which team is playing the best basketball. That’s all he really claims. Winning marginally at home doesn’t mean that you’re playing the best basketball. Since winning percentage only shows us one of two eventualities – that a team won or lost – then it tells us little about HOW the team performed. His team ratings peer deeper into the equation to capture something that winning percentage cannot. This is a valuable tool in evaluating performance. To say that it is flawed is really missing the point.

Then, since I’m commenting in retrospect, look at how the Mavs performed in the 2010 playoffs compared to the teams ranked ahead of them in this mid-season snapshot of Hollinger’s rankings. I think you can see that his objective rankings at the time did more to tell us about the quality of the Mavs than your subjective opinion.

]]> By: Kevin Rossen http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3975 Kevin Rossen Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:04:12 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3975 When you submit a comment you should see a notice like "Your comment has been submitted and is awaiting moderation" or something like that. Believe it or not I actually try to sleep during the night. When you submit a comment you should see a notice like “Your comment has been submitted and is awaiting moderation” or something like that. Believe it or not I actually try to sleep during the night.

]]> By: Kevin Rossen http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3974 Kevin Rossen Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:02:57 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3974 Yep. It did work out pretty well for him that time. Unfortunately his past rankings seem to be hidden from the public, so we can't really see how the rest of the ranks work out. Yep. It did work out pretty well for him that time. Unfortunately his past rankings seem to be hidden from the public, so we can’t really see how the rest of the ranks work out.

]]> By: John http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3973 John Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:18:41 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3973 What kind of blog that lets people post comments and not post them is written by a egotistical idiot. You're wrong but you don't know it -- you know it now! HAHAHAHA so instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team's quality than wins and losses. This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team's win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team's quality. That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games -- San Antonio's scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship. What kind of blog that lets people post comments and not post them is written by a egotistical idiot. You’re wrong but you don’t know it — you know it now! HAHAHAHA

so instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team’s quality than wins and losses.

This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team’s win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team’s quality.

That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games — San Antonio’s scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship.

]]> By: John http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3972 John Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:17:17 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3972 gee aren't you going to post Hollinger's words about his own rankings and PROOF that they actually work and you are a dummy???? "So instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team's quality than wins and losses. This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team's win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team's quality. That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games -- San Antonio's scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship." gee aren’t you going to post Hollinger’s words about his own rankings and PROOF that they actually work and you are a dummy????

“So instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team’s quality than wins and losses.

This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team’s win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team’s quality.

That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games — San Antonio’s scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship.”

]]> By: John http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3971 John Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:15:15 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3971 Hollinger has this to say about his rankings....so instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team's quality than wins and losses. This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team's win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team's quality. That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games -- San Antonio's scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship. Hollinger has this to say about his rankings….so instead of winning percentage, these rankings use points scored and points allowed, which are better indicators of a team’s quality than wins and losses.

This might not sound right at first, but studies have shown scoring margin to be a better predictor of future success than a team’s win-loss record. Thus, scoring margin is a more accurate sign of a team’s quality.

That explains why, for instance, three seasons ago the Spurs ranked ahead of the Mavericks even though they had won nine fewer games — San Antonio’s scoring margin was superior. That ultimately proved to be prophetic, as Dallas lost in the first round of the playoffs while the Spurs won the championship.

]]> By: Chris B. http://kevinrossen.com/sports/the-biggest-flaw-in-john-hollingers-espn-nba-power-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-3955 Chris B. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:59:17 +0000 http://kevinrossen.com/?p=944#comment-3955 I agree with all the points made and so really have nothing to add. I just wanted to add a comment so that Kevin would feel good about himself today. Way to go Kevin on a well written blog post! I agree with all the points made and so really have nothing to add. I just wanted to add a comment so that Kevin would feel good about himself today. Way to go Kevin on a well written blog post!

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